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Old October 13th, 2008, 05:23 PM   #1 (permalink)
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hey there ladies and gents. I am the proud owner of an a5 and have got this hole in my heart for an egrip. i don't know why, i don't play all that often, and actually am pretty selective with my shots when possible, but I still want one. my questions are:

will hpa make that big of a difference? I read once that c02 is not good for egrip markers but there was no supporting evidence. so was this guy full of it or is there a benefit to switching to hpa for an egrip

now, on a side note, the marker, other than the barrel is stock. I will be running remote with a car stock, I have removed the front handle. Should I consider getting a regulator if i switch to hpa or an expansion chamber? the expansion chamber helped on the ancient spyder that i have with a volumizer. anyhow. getting back into the game and can use some direction from all you a5 experts.

thanks in advance.
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Old October 13th, 2008, 06:26 PM   #2 (permalink)
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ok you have a lot of questions so im sorry if i miss any

1) the e grip is not the best value in paintball, considering the price of the marker adding a $100 e grip to it just to have a few extra modes is not that great of a deal, the truth is, they will tell you that it will make your marker do something like 20bps right? well it will.....if the internals of the a5 can keep up, in stock trim they cant, you will need to dump at least another 100 into the bolt and other internals to make it able to keep up with the e grip, and then the cyclone is spinning so fast that it has all kinds of issues that are not easily solved.

2) for the a5 you will not need to switch out to hpa for the e grip, gennerally speaking, any marker that has a solinoid is supposed to be run on hpa only, but a) the a5 doesnt have a solinoid and b) the e grip will be compleatly seperated from the co2 so it will be fine

3) an expantion chamber and hpa will do nothing, the expantion chambers were created to give liquid co2 room to expand, but since hpa is only a gas it doesnt need that room, if you continue running co2 and are getting higher bps it might be a good idea though

if your really wanting to get back into paintball i suggest instead of dumping a ton of money into your a5 you go look at other markers out there, there are a lot of markers with better preformance than the a5, half the weight and will cost as much as the upgrades you are looking at (start with the vs2 and PMR for example) good luck and welcome back
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Old October 13th, 2008, 08:58 PM   #3 (permalink)
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trbo, thanks for the reply. i have to admit that the a5 is actually a new marker for me (funny story). the old one is an antiquated spyder that i have put darned near everything on that you can except an egrip. to clarify something, i know an expansion chamber will not help hpa. I am not that much of a rookie. Where i began playing paintball, in mid michigan, there were no places to get hpa fills so i stayed with c02 on the spyder. now i live in so fla, there are dive shops everywhere and i can get hpa fills so i am considering the switch but know very little about the conversion. I know quite a bit about the old school spyders and quit playing right about the time that the emarkers made it into the big time. i got torched by a kid w/ an angel one day and realized that i was outgunned. that is when angels were the kings of the hill. I am a woodsballer and like the durability and ease of use of the a5. I am not looking to turn the marker into a speedster. if i were looking for a speedster i'd get a new spyder or an ion or something along those lines. my reason for the desire to have an egrip for the a5 is mostly novelty. i don't mind buying one, especially if i can find on at a deep discount. i just don't want to have other crap that i need to buy to make the egrip work. truth is, even with the egrip, i'd mostly use it in semi or response mode. the other fire rates would only be used if i am in dire straits.

eventually, i'd like to get a competitive speedball marker that i can use as well. i was going to rehab the old spyder with an egrip but realized it is not worth the money.. i have played speedball and even though i was torched just because the difference in marker functions it is a great game and i would love to play again if i can be competitive.

too many things tugging at the wallet. an addiction to mountain biking although there are no mountains in fla, an antique harley davidson restoration, etc....

i'll get there, it may take a while.
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Old October 14th, 2008, 09:11 AM   #4 (permalink)
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if i were in your position there is no way id buy the e grip, if you are soly going to get it basically just so you can say your marker is an e marker whats the point? instead of buying the e grip i say you put that 100 towards a HPA tank (you can usually get a good used 68/4500 for 100) since if you want a speedball setup later on you are going to need to make the switch anyway.

as for why hpa is better, go into the new player forum, look at the top 5 threads, one of them is all about this subject, go read it through and afterwards if you still have questions i will answer them
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Old October 14th, 2008, 09:18 AM   #5 (permalink)
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to start with the stock e-grip will only do 17 bps in fullauto, you do not need to upgrade any of the internal parts for the e-drip. aftermarket infernals do nothing for performance, and the cyclone will also handle it just fine. only two things i would suguest is a good barrel and if using co2 get a good reg such as palmers.

what part of fla you in? i live near tampa.
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Old October 14th, 2008, 09:34 AM   #6 (permalink)
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aftermarket internals do nothing for performance
wow, theres the statement of the year, so by your logic, all these companies that make aftermarket parts are just leading us on? and really the parts do nothing. The faster speeds and more efficaint air use must just be a figmant of our imaginations then.....
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Old October 14th, 2008, 10:10 AM   #7 (permalink)
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the question was about an a-5, and i did not say anything about any other marker. and yes as far as tippmanns are concerned i stand by that statement.
http://www.a5og.net/5-internals/142-...bolts-5-a.html
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Old October 14th, 2008, 11:08 AM   #8 (permalink)
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LOL! you have fallen to one common mistake a lot of new players make, you are taking 1 report of something and applying it to all cases. heres something for you, iv seen internal mods on an a5 work wonders first hand, iv seen them get it going so fast the cyclone cant keep up and it starts chopping paint on a marker that is not supposed to be able to chop. that "test" seriously looks like it was preformed by a high school student who had nothing better to do and a case of paint. im not saying they were hs, but if he/she is im also wondering where they got all the money for a bunch of different bolts and that would make me wonder if any of them are used beforehand. (i also noticed they never mentioned anything about properly installing the bolts, you have no guaruntee that they lubed the bolts that needed lube before installing them)

not to mention, you didnt find it the least bit interesting how a lot of those bolts got the same bps down to the hundeth? most cronos wont even give you to the tenth of a bps and they are saying they measured it to the hundreth? and they are saying that 4 different bolts provided the same bps to the hundreth? please.

ok lets say your right and for some reason the bolt will not change anything, guess what? the bolt is not the only internal, powertubes and qevs also make a difference.

so your still saying that every company out there who makes parts for the a5 is just leading us on then? including tippmann?
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Old October 14th, 2008, 11:31 AM   #9 (permalink)
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The Cyclone upgrades and QEPH work but the powertubes and bolts rarely do much of anything except add some noise. The stock cyclone will keep up with the stock WAS board but the APE board requires the Cyclone to be upgraded with aftermarket parts to keep up with some of the higher settings. The A5OG tests were more indepth than any other testing I have seen and since most companies never bother to publish anything besides advertising claiming how awesome their parts are I'd rather trust some user testing.
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Old October 14th, 2008, 11:50 AM   #10 (permalink)
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one of the a5s im refering to above is from a buddy of mine, its not even a e marker, RT and internals only, but only with the RT and power tube he started having some issues with the cyclone, after replacing pretty much everything internal it just got worse (even with squishy paddels, and we were thinking they may be causeing a problem after a while) but the only way he can fully open it up for any streak of balls is if he has a full hopper, that way there is enoufgh pressure on the paintballs to push them down into the cyclone, if there is not pressure on top it just kinda turns into a blender.

im still going to remain sceptical of this "test" but either way you look at it, it just turns out that the a5 is not worth upgrading
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Old October 14th, 2008, 01:50 PM   #11 (permalink)
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LOL! you have fallen to one common mistake a lot of new players make, you are taking 1 report of something and applying it to all cases. heres something for you, iv seen internal mods on an a5 work wonders first hand, iv seen them get it going so fast the cyclone cant keep up and it starts chopping paint on a marker that is not supposed to be able to chop. that "test" seriously looks like it was preformed by a high school student who had nothing better to do and a case of paint. im not saying they were hs, but if he/she is im also wondering where they got all the money for a bunch of different bolts and that would make me wonder if any of them are used beforehand. (i also noticed they never mentioned anything about properly installing the bolts, you have no guaruntee that they lubed the bolts that needed lube before installing them)

not to mention, you didnt find it the least bit interesting how a lot of those bolts got the same bps down to the hundeth? most cronos wont even give you to the tenth of a bps and they are saying they measured it to the hundreth? and they are saying that 4 different bolts provided the same bps to the hundreth? please.

ok lets say your right and for some reason the bolt will not change anything, guess what? the bolt is not the only internal, powertubes and qevs also make a difference.

so your still saying that every company out there who makes parts for the a5 is just leading us on then? including tippmann?
if aftermarket bolts and power were needed why wouldn't tippmann produce them? because they are not needed and do nothing for performance thats why. in case you didn't know a qev is a mod for the cyclone and is not an internal mod.

don't know where you get the idea i am a new player, i was attending turpentine partys before you were born. and i also ben using tippmanns since they first started making paintball markers, so i do think i have a little bit of experiance with them.

and let guess, your freind started having problems with cyclone after installing the rt and switching to hpa? the rt and cyclone need more flow when using hpa or they will not work corectly. this will help correct the problem.Adapter for 98 with Cyclone Feed and RT
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Old October 14th, 2008, 01:55 PM   #12 (permalink)
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no he already had the rt and hpa, once he added the power tube it would blend some paint from time to time, after he got the qev and other internals it just got worse.

on another note, if your argument is that tippmann doesnt make aftermarket parts because they dont think they will help the a5, then why on earth did they come out with the flatline?
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Old October 14th, 2008, 02:14 PM   #13 (permalink)
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a barrel is not an internal upgrade, and most markers not just tippmann can benefit from a better barrel. tippmann does make better barrels than the stock ones, they do not however make any aftermarket bolts or power tubes.

why don't he put the stock power tube back in? what do you mean by other internals?
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a barrel is not an internal upgrade, and most markers not just tippmann can benefit from a better barrel. tippmann does make better barrels than the stock ones
did you seriously just argue that the flatline was a better barrel? you do know its a huge gimik right? and saying they make better than stock barrels doesnt say much because A) they are the ones who made the stock barrels and B) anyone with some metal experience and the right tools can probably make a better barrel than a stock tippmann barrel.
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Old October 14th, 2008, 03:40 PM   #15 (permalink)
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show me anywhere in my post where i said anything about the flatline. i simply said that they make better barrels than the stock ones, i did not say they made the best barrels or greatest, just better than the stock barrel. tippmann does make aftermarket barrels other than the flatline.
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Old October 14th, 2008, 03:48 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Blowbacks rarely benefit from aftermarket upgrades the way they operate just boils down to a hammer striking a valve you aren't going to be able to improve a whole lot on that. Electros on the other hand have a lot of variables and many aftermarket parts will help to tease out more performance. As for Tippmann making crappy stock barrels they aren't alone in that most companies assume users will immediately slap on a new barrel. Hell even when markers come with great stock barrels like the Mini everyone just goes and buys a new one as soon as they open the box.
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Old October 14th, 2008, 04:34 PM   #17 (permalink)
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ok, reguardless of what everyone disagrees on, we have gotten WAY off topic, does anyone think it would be worth it for this guy to get a e grip?

i for one say no
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If you don't hose paint with the stock grip than the egrip isn't much use except for the reduced trigger pull and if you do throw paint like mad buy something different.
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ahhh the easier trigger pull is an added benefit i must say. as I thought i put in a previous post, i am rather selective with my shots and doubt that i would use the egrip to its full potential. I would like an easier trigger pull because the first time and only time i played with it after about hour 3, the trigger was getting a little heavy, as was the marker as were my arms, legs etc... i am still torn.. its not like i am going to run out and get it tomorrow anyway.. so i have time to hear the opinions of you folks here and weigh my options.. i must say that it is going to be easier to rationalize the purchase to the wife to be than a new marker would.. gotta run.
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Old October 14th, 2008, 06:08 PM   #20 (permalink)
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ya but when the e grip is $100, you can buy a pirahna e force for the same price that will be able to hold its own against the a5, and it would be way lighter.

personally i think your best rout would be to save the 100 you have (or would have) for the egrip, sell the a5 (lets say you get 100 for it) and go buy a vs1 since you are running co2 for 150, and that would leave you with 50 to get a good hopper. and the whole thing will have the easy trigger pull you want, will weigh a lot less and you will still have the speed there when you need it.
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Old October 15th, 2008, 08:55 AM   #21 (permalink)
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not knowing much about the pirahna that is the spyder clone right? i think, for now, i am going to spend the $$ on parts for my antique harley and use the a5 as is for the time being. besides, i am not out every weekend playing paintball even though i would like to be, but again, i would like to be fishing or mountain biking or something other than laundry and chores.. too many hobbies and not enough time/money. ugh!!
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Old October 15th, 2008, 08:56 AM   #22 (permalink)
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ya the pirahna is a spyder clone
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