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Old June 4th, 2009, 05:14 PM   #1 (permalink)
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98 or A5 for Flatline?

To start things off: I KNOW "FLATLINE BARRELS GIVE YOU MORE DISTANCE BUT THE BALL WILL NOT BREAK BECAUSE IT'S MOVING SO SLOWLY". THAT IS MY OVERALL OBJECTIVE. I WANT DISTANCE AND I DO NOT WANT MY PAINTBALLS TO BREAK ON TARGET. PLEASE TRY TO GIVE ME USEFUL INFORMATION AND TELL ME ABOUT YOUR EXPERIENCE WITH A FLATLINE, DO NOT DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT I WANT ONE, I AM CAPABLE OF DOING THAT ON MY OWN!!!

I want a flatline barrel. I know the biased opinion is that the added distance is useless. I don't care. What I'm really looking for is overall flat trajectory, but I don't want the ball to break because I don't want to get paint on my friends.

My question is, for those who have tried both, which works better? Which is easier to "tune"? Which is easier to clean? Which is easier to install? Which gives me more flat, useless range? I will be buying a new marker just to use this barrel, so, you think the A5 is superior for this use, is it better enough to be worth its extra expense? Any overall comparison greatly appreciated.
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Old June 4th, 2009, 08:20 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Um... the gun doesn't make the barrel shoot any different, and they're both hard to clean unless you have a 98c Platinum series, which is slightly easier.

And just to make sure we understand everything, I quote:
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Bernoulli's Principal and the Coanda Effect are also simple physics.
The Flatline barrel, Apex barrels, and airplane wings all work off of these

Bernoulli's Principle basically states "Faster Fluids Less Pressure"
Air is classified as a fluid because of the way it acts

The Coanda Effect says that a fluid will follow the shape of an object that it passes over.
Place the edge of a cup under a sink and the water doesn't just fall right off the edge, it follows the curve of the cup for a while.

Now that we got a basic understanding of some physics, we can move on to how the Flatline and Apex barrels work and keep paintballs in the air at slower speeds.

Airplanes create life though air pressure on their wings.
An airplane wing is curved on the top and straight on the bottom. Air travels along both the straight side and the curved side thanks to the Coanda Effect.
Since the straight and curved side of the wing both end at the same point, there is more distance for the air to cover on the top of the wing than on the bottom of the wing.
This leads to the air having to travel faster over the top of the wing relative to the bottom of the wing.
Bernoulli says that faster fluids creadte less pressure, and that equates to more pressure on the bottom of the wing relative to the pressure on the top of the wing.
Lift is created!

Now for paintballs!

The secret to the Flatline Barrel and the Apex Barrel is backspin!
Backspin creates uneven airflow across the paintball relative to the axis which it is spinning (let's just say top and bottom).
The air on the bottom of a paintball spinning backwards will encounter friction (air going one way, paintball spinning in the opposite way), while the air encountering the top of the paintball will encounter less or no friction (air and paintball spinning in the same way.
Air will move faster over the top of the paintball relative to the bottom of the paintball.
Bernoulli says that faster fluids creadte less pressure, and that equates to more pressure on the bottom of the paintball relative to the pressure on the top of the paintball.
Lift is created!
Now paintballs can have a flatter trajectory for longer at slower speeds!

This is how all types of backspin barrels work!

Now lets say the axis that the paintball spins on is not knocked off alignment with true vertical. You not have a nonvertical pressure on the paintball causing it to swing left and right since there's no need to compensate for as much gravity.
This is why most of us don't like backspin barrels!

I hope you understood that because I really don't feel life explaining myself further today, or in the near future either...
This was a long post...
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Old June 4th, 2009, 08:38 PM   #3 (permalink)
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No, the gun doesn't make MUCH difference on how the barrel works, but the barrels are certainly mounted differently on each marker, and that will make a difference. I assume the A5 is easier to install, but I'd appreciate if someone could confirm this? I've heard you must install the 98c barrel just right or it won't work as well and it will break more balls than if it were installed correctly.

And please, TheAznInvazn, I don't expect you to agree with me, but please don't disagree in my thread. I made it to get some information on applications of the barrel I want. I've seen you disagree with countless others about the flatline. I get the point, you don't like it. Now get my point, I do. Leave it alone.
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Old June 4th, 2009, 09:06 PM   #4 (permalink)
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I was just making sure that you could make the most informed choice possible
No where in my post did I say not to get the Flatline, only that the flatline will not shoot any differently on the 98c or the A-5 and the quote explaining why most of us don't like it.

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They are both picky about positioning and paint and both are a pain to clean. The best option is actually the BT Apex barrel it gives you the same extra range but you can turn it on/off so you can have the fun of a Flatline but still be able to take regular shots as well without the ordeal of removing the entire barrel. As a further plus Lapco makes a line of barrels that are compatible with the Apex so you can have a top of the line barrel with the added advantage of the Apex.
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Old June 5th, 2009, 11:30 AM   #6 (permalink)
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The SmartParts FREAK Barrel system also has a barrel tip that's compatable with the Apex tip
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Didn't know about the Freak that would be a good option too.
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Old June 5th, 2009, 02:07 PM   #8 (permalink)
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in my experience the a5 shoots better and is easier
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Old June 17th, 2009, 09:48 PM   #10 (permalink)
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in my experience the a5 shoots better and is easier
theyre' EXACTLY the same. the A-5 just has a cyclone on it.
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