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Old February 14th, 2010, 02:32 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I was wondering if anyone has used the TechT Tippmann/ BT Zero Kick Hammer to upgrade their A-5 and what are your thoughts on it's proformance
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Old February 15th, 2010, 07:43 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Never saw it in action but Im sure its a better upgrade than the pricey plastic cosmetics people fancy.
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Old February 15th, 2010, 09:35 PM   #3 (permalink)
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upgrades on entry level markers are not really worth it, save your money for a HPA tank if you dont have one alrady, a new mask or a new marker if you want more performance
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Old February 15th, 2010, 10:22 PM   #4 (permalink)
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i already got all of that stuff...i'm looking to upgrade my tippmann as a back-up/loaner
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Old February 15th, 2010, 10:39 PM   #5 (permalink)
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i wouldnt worry about it, nobody you loan it to is even going to notice or get any advantage because of it, and you are not going to be using it since its a back up for the vast majority of the time. id look into some other stuff to help your game, slider pants/shorts? gloves, jersy, pants, gearbag, backup air tank for the A5 would be a decent idea though, i have 2 tanks, its always nice to have a spare incase something either happens to one or one is in for hydro
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Old February 16th, 2010, 11:04 AM   #6 (permalink)
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I got 2 HPA tanks and a 20oz CO2, and i found that the CO2 (for me anyway) gets a little better performance on the A-5 especially with the remote system to keep the tank outta my way
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Old February 16th, 2010, 11:37 AM   #7 (permalink)
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45oo psi HPA tanks?

other things to throw money at in paintball,

barrel kit
on/off asa
better paint
another field fee
spare anything
parts kit
tools
custom grips
a sick anno
different lenses for your mask
backup mask (or just a new one for you)
save it and go to OK d-day

or you can throw all the money for everything above into something outside of paintball,

a girlfriend....

what marker are you shooting now anyway?
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Old February 16th, 2010, 11:43 AM   #8 (permalink)
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don't need a girlfriend i gotta wife, my field fees are discounted, barrel kit is ordered, got spare lenses, and i'm using a proto slg with some aftermarket mods but i still love my a-5 especially when i'm long balling in an open area
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Old February 16th, 2010, 11:47 AM   #9 (permalink)
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put the money towards a new marker then, something mid or high end, sounds like its time you move up
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Old February 16th, 2010, 09:46 PM   #10 (permalink)
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By all means, throw down a grand on five CF HPA tanks, but for crying out loud, don't spend a single hard earned dime on your Tippmann. Gimme a break.

As far as the bolt, I don't own an A5, and I don't know anything about it firsthand (or even second hand), but I have a lightweight bolt in my 98 which I machined out of a section of 1-inch aluminum stock, and I like it. It really does everything they say it does, like lighter recoil, reduced noise, slightly faster shots, better gas efficiency (I'm pretty sure), upgrades your flashiness. Of course, mine was free, so it's easy to like. Whether it's worth $50.00 ... I don't know. I think that's pretty steep, but if you're as into paintball as you seem to be, you might think differently. It's your call.

On a side note, couldn't you potentially run into some problems with the new bolt starving your cyclone feed? Just a thought.
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Old February 16th, 2010, 10:18 PM   #11 (permalink)
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It's cool that you're being supportive of his desire to upgrade his gun but the real issue is that is isn't cost effective. The benefits you gain from upgrades don't justify the cost.

If you want to throw your money at making a gun look cool then do it but when it comes to making a low end gun perform well your money is MUCH better spent on a higher end gun.
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Old February 16th, 2010, 10:46 PM   #12 (permalink)
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agreed^^^

iv also heard some very usefull information about a-5 aftermarket bolts doing next to nothing for performance, most people will tell you "this bolt is better than stock, this one is more efficiant ect ect" without really anything to go off of but the manufacturers claims, but there was a test i saw ( i believe it was over on the nation) that actually went through and tested pretty much every bolt being sold for the thing and it concluded that the stock bolt was one of the best, pretty much everything else had worse efficiency and/or was worse in other respects. just goes to show that upgrading a entry level marker is never really worth it
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Old February 17th, 2010, 09:44 PM   #13 (permalink)
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all i have to say to all who bad mouth the A-5 just remember it isn't the gun the makes the player but the player that makes the gun.
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I don't recall any one bad mouthing the A5.
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Old February 18th, 2010, 12:52 AM   #15 (permalink)
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i dont either, and yes the player makes the game not the marker but with the right tools that can be done easier
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Old April 21st, 2010, 01:19 PM   #17 (permalink)
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never used one, but i've never had a reason to. Love my tippmann, and damn happy i got it before the company took a dump and started making garbage.
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Old April 21st, 2010, 03:43 PM   #18 (permalink)
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I imagine the zero kick hammer would put less stress on the velocity spring, return to its normal position a bit faster, maybe decrease the so called kick a bit. As far as bad mouthing Tippmanns, yeah thats what you guys do. Don't add any upgrades to the Tippmann you already spent 180$ on, just get a new marker! Shut up. You guys probably think the X7 Phenom is a waste of money.
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Old April 21st, 2010, 05:01 PM   #19 (permalink)
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It's an Automag in a huge shell for more money...
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Always giving the its too big defense. OR the I lack so much skill that I have to use a gun the size of a pea defense. MANY people like a bigger more realistic gun, and the X7 Phenom shoots great while giving those people what they like. No matter what Tippmann does you smalltime small gun whoring self proclaimed pro's will always say they suck. I have come to hate this forum. What the hell do you think milsim style marker means? Oh thats right, you don't really know because most of you couldn't survive in the military.
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Always giving the its too big defense. OR the I lack so much skill that I have to use a gun the size of a pea defense. MANY people like a bigger more realistic gun, and the X7 Phenom shoots great while giving those people what they like. No matter what Tippmann does you smalltime small gun whoring self proclaimed pro's will always say they suck. I have come to hate this forum. What the hell do you think milsim style marker means? Oh thats right, you don't really know because most of you couldn't survive in the military.
1. I never said that the Phenom didn't shoot well, just that it costs too much considering what it does

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3. I never said that Tippmann's suck. They just dropped in quality and cost too much

4. If you don't like this forum, than no one is stopping you from leaving? It's public, be prepared to meet people of a different mindset, not only here, but wherever you go.

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Oh thats right, you don't really know because most of you couldn't survive in the military
I really don't appreciate you bringing the military into this. Paintball has no correlation to the US Armed Forces, so why try to draw that parallel?

I'm in the Army btw...

6. MilSim is a marker that is "Military Simulation"
My only beef with MilSim markers is that most of the stuff marketed as "MilSim" today is crap that's over pirced and under powered. Why do you think some very respectable MilSim paintball teams out there don't use MilSim markers?

7. Please keep your rude comments to yourself. We try to be respectful to everyone here, and only try and point people in the directing that WE believe is right, wish for now means no Tippmann since they're recent quality has dropped far below their old standards.

8. If there's something that you feel so passionately for that we argue against, there's always Private Messages to discuss things so that no one gets publicly hurt or embarrassed over the internet

9. What does lack of skill have to do with small markers? I personally like small markers because they're lighter, smaller so I can run to my bunkers faster and are less of a pain to carry over long walks to fields or objectives, and the way they feel to me is generally better

10. While I do realize that lots of people like bigger more realistic markers, there are always other options that still work. Bob Long MTac, Smart Parts SP1, AGD TacOne, and there are SpecOps makes the LongBow kit for many different markers that can be customized with stocks, optics, and anything else you might want.






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Old April 21st, 2010, 07:35 PM   #22 (permalink)
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As far as bad mouthing Tippmanns, yeah thats what you guys do. Don't add any upgrades to the Tippmann you already spent 180$ on, just get a new marker! Shut up. You guys probably think the X7 Phenom is a waste of money.
Well as someone that has owned Tippmanns I can say that the cost to buy a new and better marker is less than the cost of fully upgrading a Tippmann. It gets extra ridiculous when you add the initial cost of the Tippmann to the cost of the upgrades. Most players just think "well it's only an extra $50...". No big deal except that it's an extra $50 over and over and over again. If you keep a Tippmann stock they are a nice and reliable basic no frills marker.


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Always giving the its too big defense. OR the I lack so much skill that I have to use a gun the size of a pea defense. MANY people like a bigger more realistic gun, and the X7 Phenom shoots great while giving those people what they like. No matter what Tippmann does you smalltime small gun whoring self proclaimed pro's will always say they suck. I have come to hate this forum. What the hell do you think milsim style marker means? Oh thats right, you don't really know because most of you couldn't survive in the military.

I'm not against big markers and I'd say my Hurricane is easily as unwieldy a marker as you are likely to ever find.


Not exactly an Ego is it?

I was actually with you right up until you went totally offside I don't think I've seen anyone on this forum call themselves a pro. Maybe it's because we don't actually have many (if any) milsim guys hanging around here so it seems like everyone is all about speedball stuff? I'm actually more of an all around recballer and I'll shoot pretty much anything that catches my attention. If you are into milsim why not chillax a little and explain what you like about it? If you see something you disagree with chime in with your opinion there is no need to get all hostile. And if you think the speedball guys are rough on Tippmanns you should hear what they say about the Hurricane!
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I like realism, I like the weight, I like the having a stock on my gun, I like a little kick. It just comes down to liking realism. There is no realism to a Mini, or a normal Spyder. Or any of the real HIGH end guns. And I know I should calm down a little. But its hard when I hear the same reasons as to why no one should ever own a Tippmann, but then the same people turn around and say its all preference.. Thats just hypocritical.
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I like realism, I like the weight, I like the having a stock on my gun, I like a little kick. It just comes down to liking realism. There is no realism to a Mini, or a normal Spyder. Or any of the real HIGH end guns. And I know I should calm down a little. But its hard when I hear the same reasons as to why no one should ever own a Tippmann, but then the same people turn around and say its all preference.. Thats just hypocritical.
I totally agree with you. What a lot of people don't realize is that paintball is different things to different people. Some play it competitively every week like a soccer or baseball league and they never stop to realize that a lot of other people are just playing it for fun. If I'm keeping score every week than maybe I want to make sure I have the most bleeding edge of technology gear. If I'm just playing for fun why not use what is fun? At the same time the playing for fun guys have to realize that the competitive guys are also having fun keeping score and don't appreciate having their gear and play style slagged because it isn't "realistic" or that they couldn't cut it in the "real army".

What it all comes down to is respect just plain old fashioned respect. I believe everyone should play a little speedball and woodsball now and then just to keep everything in perspective. It really is the same game with different cover and pacing and it doesn't make sense to act like they are entirely different games because they aren't.

I also really agree with you on the Tippmann hatred. I personally think Spyders are pieces of crap but I like to keep that to myself. I've been a mech and pump marker fan as long as I've been playing and with most of paintball going to electronic markers I'm now in the minority. What I've learned is to not give a **** about what anyone else says and just go on using what I love to use. Paintball is something you are supposed to be playing because you enjoy it and I'd rather play than argue. If someone is giving you a hard time on the field send him to the deadbox to settle it. Talk is cheap and a gog shot trumps all and if you can do it with a marker that is supposed to suck well how much sweeter is that?
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Paintball is something you are supposed to be playing because you enjoy it and I'd rather play than argue. If someone is giving you a hard time on the field send him to the deadbox to settle it. Talk is cheap and a gog shot trumps all and if you can do it with a marker that is supposed to suck well how much sweeter is that?
This is the gods honest truth! It's all for fun, no matter how it is achieved.
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