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Old April 17th, 2010, 07:52 PM   #1 (permalink)
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98cs aren't so durable anymore...?

I mean seriously, what on earth happened to 98 customs? I go woodsballing all the time. I see a lot of people w/ A*5s, 98s, ions and minis. The A*5s were fine, but for some reason, when I was playing with a rental 98c, it broke mid-game! Seriously, it broke! UNDER NORMAL USE! I have also heard of people having problems with them. What on earth happened?
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Old April 17th, 2010, 09:22 PM   #2 (permalink)
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ik just the old ones are gud but new ones suk fer sum reezon
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Old April 17th, 2010, 11:41 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Old April 18th, 2010, 08:30 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Tippmann was sold to an investment company and some minor corners were cut in manufacturing to save some money. In my opinion they are just as good as ever since Tippmann hasn't changed much in their design in 20 years. If you use a marker it will need repairs eventually no matter what it is no matter the brand or cost.

If you found a problem with a rental marker the problem is caused by it being a rental marker. You are dealing with a marker that is abused day in and day out and then half-heartedly cleaned by a kid working for discounted field fees or minimum wage if he is lucky.
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Old April 18th, 2010, 12:44 PM   #5 (permalink)
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ik just the old ones are gud but new ones suk fer sum reezon
hey, not trying to be a dick, but type like a normal human being, please? it makes posts 1000x easier to read when you are using whole, real words.

welcome to the forum btw.

yea, I got my 98 back around 2000-2001, awesome gun. havent really handled the new ones, but they sound pretty shotty.
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Old May 16th, 2010, 02:27 AM   #6 (permalink)
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I have to agree with crawdaddy. I think most of the problem is with it being a rental. They are destroyed and then put up for the next day for the most part. And most of the time they don't get cleaned at all.
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Old May 16th, 2010, 11:09 AM   #7 (permalink)
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back in 04 when the company changed hands they outsourced production to China and while the design didnt change the material quality dropped, they are using poorer quality metals now and idk what they did to the power tubes (were they aluminum before 04?) but they crack all the time as well
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Old May 16th, 2010, 01:19 PM   #8 (permalink)
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No,I believe they where all plastic. I know my A-5 is an 05 model and it came with a plastic power tube. Pretty sure the 98 did as well.
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Old May 16th, 2010, 11:48 PM   #9 (permalink)
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well at any rate you hear about them cracking a lot more now then they did before

less durable plastic = less expensive
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Old May 17th, 2010, 10:50 AM   #10 (permalink)
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lets all pretend we have godlike experience with tippmanns in order to discredit them!

Seriously, though. The power tubes crack all the time? thats a lot of the time... in fact, thats not some of the time, thats all of it. 100%.

I've been playing with my new tippy 98 constantly for the past week and i have been nothing but impressed. already thats less then 100%.

I'd love to know where you get your unquestionable testimonial, turbo, since you always have something negative to say in every tippmann thread.
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Old May 17th, 2010, 11:04 AM   #11 (permalink)
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I've been playing with my new tippy 98 constantly for the past week .
so i guess this means we should all come back to your vast knowlege of the marker? congragulations, one marker that tippmann made works fine for the whole week you have been using it, i never said they wouldnt just that since 04 their reliability has dropped, do some reasearch before posting next time please. also, nowhere in here did i say "tippmanns suck" "dont get one" or anything like that so i fail to see where this "negitive" comment you are refering to is, i stated facts, tippmanns production quality has dropped, but if you would rather lie to everyone and be nieve then thats fine, go for it your not going to have a lot of support on here doing that

as to where my experience is coming from? 6 years heavily in the sport, working at a summer camp with 98s, and helping a friend maintain a rental batch of them for a few summers after camp, the summer camp had pre-04s, they all worked great, only issue i ever had was hammer o-rings going out. my friend had a miss matched batch of rentals, some after 04 some before, the newer ones almost never rented out because they had issues, pre-04 ones worked fine so we always gave them out first, they were nothing pretty to look at but they worked. he also had a A-5 made after 04 and iv never seen as big of a money pit as this thing was

he started having issues breaking paint, so he figured it was the cyclone chopping paint, upgraded it all the way, no luck, still chopping, maybe its the bolt putting too much force on the paint? upgraded it, threw a LP kit in while he was at it, no luck, paint? he shot thicker shell paint, no luck, he dumped around $400 into this marker trying to stop it from chopping and you know what it was? the clamshell design tippmann uses coupled with lower metal standards caused a bur to form in the breach where the two halfes of the marker come together, it was slicing the paint as it left the marker, so basically put, the metal tippmann now uses can not hold its shape as its supposed to when you do regular maintanance
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Old May 17th, 2010, 01:19 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Yeh trbo, you may not say it directly, but in every possible thread that you look at regarding tippmann products you state your "opinion." It's not that hard to tell that you don't like there products. You bad talk them in comparison to beating around the bush, so that you can say you don't directly say they suck? And as for the experience. I've been in the sport for around 6-7 years as well and have worked on a few guns myself including rentals. All of our rentals where 98c's. We never needed to order anything else. They where mixed in the batch from pre 04 and after 04. They all worked fine. The occasional o-rings failure. But nothing major. As for the power tubes cracking?? We haven't had that happen yet. Like I have said before. Failure on markers can happen to any make at anytime. All they need is a few people like yourself to spread the news and make everyone think it is some epidemic. When in all realty. It's not. They still make good markers IMO. Regardless of where they have outsourced there materials. We outsourced our materials where I work to a cheaper material, and we sale them everyday and they still hold up just as well as the first metal suppliers we had. Outsourcing isn't the problem.
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Old May 17th, 2010, 01:33 PM   #13 (permalink)
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He's never said they suck; there's just better choices for the money. Nobody seems to get that part of the message

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Old May 17th, 2010, 03:00 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Once again not all Tippmanns are made in China but yes the powertubes are now plastic and they did used to be aluminum. The cracking is caused when the powertubes get extremely cold so basically when you get a bunch of liquid CO2 inside the marker. If you are really worried about it aftermarket powertubes are available but I haven't seen a whole lot of cracked powertubes. In my experience o rings and worn out springs and sears are still the most common problems followed by worn out Cyclone ratchets.
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Old May 17th, 2010, 04:39 PM   #15 (permalink)
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He's never said they suck; there's just better choices for the money. Nobody seems to get that part of the message
exactly, and sleeper if you dont believe martix then by all means, to hunting through the forum and find where i say they suck, if someone is wanting a reliable mechanical marker for cheap id say go find a pre 04 98 for $50-$70, if they have a budget higher than that id say look elsewhere though

you say its a epidemic that people think the current tippmanns are not as reliable as the old ones? how about the epidemic that is people just giving the default "get a 98" answer to any new player without actually giving it any thought? without actually looking to see the features of other markers in the same price range and not seeing that material quality has dropped, as craw just pointed out the power tubes have changed from aluminum to plastic as i had thought, do you know the reason you dont use macro line with a co2 setup? because the macro is plastic and cracks, play on a cold enough day or hit a high enough ROF and you are exposing the power tube to liquid co2, do that enough times and it will break. first symptoms are usually a slight leak down the barrel, i dont even own one and i know that, it just goes to show how many times i have encountered it

nowhere have i said they will bust first time out, in all reality their reliability has come down to somewhere in the relm of the rest of the low end market (the reputable companies anyway) but if they are not any more reliable than the rest of the market then why on earth should i pay more for one?
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