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Old July 22nd, 2011, 11:57 AM   #1 (permalink)
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flatline and stock on 98c transfer to platinum???

Basically I'm an old player getting back into paintball. I'm trying to get working the gun I used to love, a model 98 flatline. The catch? It's old as hang and I've replaced almost every o-ring and part and it still has issues and I'm just plain sick of replacing parts...so I pretty much just want to run to wal-mart and grab a 98 platinum. My problem? I'm not sure how much of my current stuff (a flatline and m4 style stock) on the current gun (98 custom w/anti-chop) works on a platinum and I'd like to know before I spend $120.

The main thing: I want to know if my old style flatline (not the quick thread, the original kind) will fit on (I'm betting the barrel itself does...but what I'm not sure about is the shroud...does that go on?)

And I also the stock on the back of the custom that I'm hoping will transfer to the platinum, will it? (it is for an anti-chop, so it does have that extra spring hole for the a/c spring, don't know if that's relevant).

And one last question that I haven't found a 100% answer for through searching: do all platinums have anti-chop? Don't know if that's just standard for platinums or not and haven't found a clear answer yet.

Please don't do the typical forums answer-every-possible-question-other-than-the-ones-I-asked routine...I'm just too tired for it I'm not trying to fix the old 98c any more, I'm not interested in telling anyone symptoms or debating the pros and cons of the quick thread flatlines vs the old ones...I just want to know if my flatline and stock will transfer to a platinum or not, and maybe the reasons why if they don't
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Old July 22nd, 2011, 12:24 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Please don't do the typical forums answer-every-possible-question-other-than-the-ones-I-asked routine...I'm just too tired for it
Please forgive me if this pat sounds a little gruff I'm just in a very frustrated state (literally every internal part of the gun is now new and it still is having issues firing) it's just plain old and needs to be scrapped and discussing the problems one more time may lead to a mental break-down
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Old July 22nd, 2011, 12:36 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I thought tippmans were supposed to last forever.. oh well.

I would help you, but i know nothing about the nuances between different models

i will warn you though, that back around 2004 tippman sold out and the new marker they are now making are not the same quality as the ones they used to make. theyr'e still good, but they wont' last as long. If you're looking for that oldschool tippman quality, i'd suggest checking out the BT markers; rumor has it they're still doing the same thing that tippman did back in the day, best of all they're nearly identical except for the quality. this means any tippman part should work on them.
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Old July 22nd, 2011, 12:49 PM   #4 (permalink)
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If you're looking for that oldschool tippman quality, i'd suggest checking out the BT markers;
Really? My friend (the one that convinced me to come back to paintball) has a BT and the force feed system jams every 50 balls or so and requires taking the hopper off to un-jam and the gun starves for air and doesn't re-cock if you shoot more than 4 times straight without stopping for a few seconds. He said it was always that way and that it's pretty normal and he doesn't seem to think it's a big deal. With me if I pull the trigger and ball doesn't come out relatively straight pretty much every time then that gun deserves the trash bin. Maybe that's an attitude from the glory days when companies took more pride in their work though

I guess I shouldn't judge the whole BT company by one gun though, I'll look into them more. But I'm still hoping to find out if my current stuff transfers to a platinum
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For anyone glancing at this the original questions aren't answered yet, so please respond if you know the answers!
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Old July 22nd, 2011, 01:34 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Really? My friend (the one that convinced me to come back to paintball) has a BT and the force feed system jams every 50 balls or so and requires taking the hopper off to un-jam and the gun starves for air and doesn't re-cock if you shoot more than 4 times straight without stopping for a few seconds. He said it was always that way and that it's pretty normal and he doesn't seem to think it's a big deal. With me if I pull the trigger and ball doesn't come out relatively straight pretty much every time then that gun deserves the trash bin. Maybe that's an attitude from the glory days when companies took more pride in their work though

I guess I shouldn't judge the whole BT company by one gun though, I'll look into them more. But I'm still hoping to find out if my current stuff transfers to a platinum
force feed system? you mean the rip clip? just don't buy the rip clip then.

as for starving for air, i doubt that that's a problem. either the co2 wasn't expanding and he was firing too fast, or his tank was low. bts are the rental marker at my field, and the only problem with them is renters drop them

ps. i don't know anything about the 98Cs to answer your original question
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force feed system? you mean the rip clip? just don't buy the rip clip then.
This is true...but the rip clip is made by BT and I was generalizing what I've seen of BT equipment...so if the quality of one of their products is so low that the only proper answer is "don't use it" then in my eyes that's a reason to not jump for joy about the idea of buying any of their stuff.

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as for starving for air, i doubt that that's a problem. either the co2 wasn't expanding and he was firing too fast, or his tank was low.
He had the same attitude you do.

To him if it's starving for air it's because he needs to shoot slower and in shorter increments. To me if the gun starves for air when you shoot too fast then that is low quality...a gun needs to be able to feed air as fast as a human can pull the trigger (especially on a mechanical trigger system)

The general attitude is where we disagree. Him and you seem to believe that if there's a way you can make it work then it works. I think if there's any reasonable situation where it doesn't work then it's junk In my eyes something is only high quality if it works every time under all reasonable circumstances, including firing fast.

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bts are the rental marker at my field, and the only problem with them is renters drop them
Great! I agree that observing 1 gun isn't indicative of the full company and said I will look more into BT, but that doesn't mean my observations about the 1 gun are wrong...because they're not That's how scientific observation works: you fit your theories to your observations...not throw out out observations that don't fit your theories.
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To him if it's starving for air it's because he needs to shoot slower and in shorter increments. To me if the gun starves for air when you shoot too fast then that is low quality...a gun needs to be able to feed air as fast as a human can pull the trigger (especially on a mechanical trigger system)

The general attitude is where we disagree. Him and you seem to believe that if there's a way you can make it work then it works. I think if there's any reasonable situation where it doesn't work then it's junk In my eyes something is only high quality if it works every time under all reasonable circumstances, including firing fast.
You can't make CO2 shoot any faster. its just the nature of co2. it doesn't matter what marker you're shooting. you will most likely have issues if you shoot too fast (although as pointed out if this only should be an issue if you have an e-grip or an RT).

personally i've never dealt with co2, but the bts at the field, again, have no issues. i've shot it as much as my finger can go and only had issues cuz i'm shooting faster than the shake and shoot. your friend might have had an improperly maintained marker
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I'd bet money he just doesn't have the sound sensitivity and/or speed setting configured properly for the Rip Clip. Anyway everything is compatible between the 98C and the Platinum the changes didn't affect how the markers operate.
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I tried it and figured I'd let everyone know the results, since this will likely be the only place on the net where this question gets answered (I know I couldn't find it anywhere else).

I went and bought the 98 platinum and the barrel itself fits just fine (which was expected since the threads are the same). BUT the shroud was a total no-go. The shroud does not fit over the top of the platinum at all, and even if you somehow made it fit the rear bolt that goes through the back of the shroud to hold it to the gun...the platinum doesn't have the hole for it. So the shroud does not fit the platinum at all.

I cut the back end off of the shroud so only the fore-grip is left and just fastened it to the barrel with industrial strength adhesives. This is not something most people are going to have materials/tools laying around to do though...so for most effective purposes the shroud of the old flatline barrels is not able to go on a platinum.

The stock seems to go just fine though since it seems nothing changed about how the springs connect to it. Though I did have another problem that I didn't think about which is my old red-dot sight for the old tippmann dovetail sight-rail obviously doesn't fit at all on the new picatinny sight rail. I checked all gun stores in the area for a picatinny to dovetail conversion rail and came away with nothing. I found one on ebay and ordered it for $10 and I see no reason why it shouldn't work but I can't say 100% that it will until I actually have it.

So there you have it, sights and old flatline shrouds don't transfer to platinums without some extra work, creativity, and and/or parts
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Old July 25th, 2011, 01:40 PM   #11 (permalink)
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well there we go. now we all know
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well there we go. now we all know
Yep. And you were absolutely right that the quality of the marker isn't the same. You can even feel it in the trigger pull, it doesn't fire at a point in the pull that's expected. You have to pull all the way back until it stops...then just apply extra pressure that doesn't seem to be moving the trigger anywhere...and then it'll just fire after some random amount of pressure. It's really weird and I'm hoping putting the trigger and sear from the old 98 into the platinum fixes it.
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