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Old November 12th, 2014, 05:09 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Mag fed Phenom

I need your help and advice from Phenom users who have also gone the Tacamo conversion way for mag-fed and have opted for the box mag with a Nautilus drive(or know something about it).

First some background. I started paintball when it was called the Survival Game and used the single action, pump Splatmaster (no not the JT toy). Got out of the hobby and about two years ago my brother in law dragged me back in.

Started out with a Tippmann A5 which has been converted to a B5 with all new internals (now just hanging on my wall) then moved up to an X7 Phenom. I have spent a ton of money on different barrels and accessories (still not satisfied) to get better performance and to have a better feel.

I have seen more and more players at our local field using mag-fed markers and although the field hasn't implemented it, I am also seeing more scenario events that are mag-fed only.

I have been looking at the RAP4 Tacamo conversion kit that will change my Phenom from a hopper to a mag-fed marker. I don't want to give up the versatility of a hopper so I was also looking at the RAP4 Gen4 box mag that will allow me to hit a game with 250 paintballs (as opposed to 200 with the current hopper) and still be mag-fed compliant.

I have searched the forum and did not find too much, and the videos on Youtube were more from vendors than users.

My problem is this - the justification of price versus results.

Between the conversion kit, the box mag, the lock-bolt that is recommended and a mag-well adapter since the new conversion kit is DMAG compatible, but the box mag isn't, I am looking at an investment of $333.90 (without shipping or additional mags).

This is almost what I spent on purchasing the marker new.

Since mag-fed at this time is a personal choice and not mandatory, is it even worth is???

Will it improve the performance of the marker, or make games more interesting???

Or do I just want to spend money and give myself an early Christmas gift that I fear will frustrate me instead???


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Old November 12th, 2014, 05:14 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Check this out
https://www.paintballforum.com/paintb...mann-98-a.html
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Old November 12th, 2014, 07:22 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Yes, I have seen several reviews of the mag fed conversion for the 98 which is new. I have a X7 Phenom, and the mag-fed conversion kit for it has been around for a while with mixed reviews. I am interested in the mag-fed conversion augmented by the box-mag.

Again, this is a bit of an investment and want to know if it is a worthwhile investment.
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Old November 12th, 2014, 08:09 PM   #4 (permalink)
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I can't say I've ever heard of such a thing.

What I do know is that you're wasting your time tryingto get better performance out of a tippman. If you want a gun that preforms better, you'll have to buy a more pricey gun. There's only so much that you can get out of the blowback design.

I would look into the TM-15. It's a fantastic preforming base gun which has all the mil-sim stuff you can attach to it.
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Old November 12th, 2014, 09:15 PM   #5 (permalink)
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except a mag feed. i'm not sure any electro has a mag feed conversion,

except the Dye DAM
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Old November 12th, 2014, 09:24 PM   #6 (permalink)
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The tm15 doesnt' have mag feed? hmm. I thought that it did.
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Old November 13th, 2014, 03:36 PM   #7 (permalink)
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no, The TM15 has a purely cosmetic mag. You are either thinking of that or the empire Dfender, really thats not a mag feed its an integrated hopper system. you still use pods but the hopper is built into the stock

John-you are running into the exact scenario that many milsim players eventually get to, unwilling to give up the look but wanting more performance, while it CAN be done, outside of strictly custom stuff, it is one of the most expensive roads to go down in paintball, the Dye DAM will do it out of the box and getting a box mag for it you are looking somewhere in the range of $1200 for it all.

so here is my suggestion. (Im also assuming you are already running HPA, if you are not you will need an HPA tank to do this) pick up a used mid range marker and try it out. You can get many in black or camo colors, this will give you the performance you are looking for and yes will sacrifice the look but here is my reasoning. If you go and play a few times with this mid range marker and find you really like it for the performance then you have spent a little money and solved your problem. If you find you miss the look too much then you can turn around and sell it and may even break even, if not you are looking at a minimal loss and can then go down the conversion kit road

markers to look into,

Rail
Aura / proton (same marker)
etek 3/4 (technically high end but i see no reason you could not handle them, black and camos are very easy to find on these)

you will need a hopper to feed these as well, even still, I think you should be able to stay around that $330 price tag and if it doesnt work, sell it all and get the conversion kit anyway
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Old November 13th, 2014, 06:19 PM   #8 (permalink)
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no, The TM15 has a purely cosmetic mag. You are either thinking of that or the empire Dfender, really thats not a mag feed its an integrated hopper system. you still use pods but the hopper is built into the stock

John-you are running into the exact scenario that many milsim players eventually get to, unwilling to give up the look but wanting more performance, while it CAN be done, outside of strictly custom stuff, it is one of the most expensive roads to go down in paintball, the Dye DAM will do it out of the box and getting a box mag for it you are looking somewhere in the range of $1200 for it all.

so here is my suggestion. (Im also assuming you are already running HPA, if you are not you will need an HPA tank to do this) pick up a used mid range marker and try it out. You can get many in black or camo colors, this will give you the performance you are looking for and yes will sacrifice the look but here is my reasoning. If you go and play a few times with this mid range marker and find you really like it for the performance then you have spent a little money and solved your problem. If you find you miss the look too much then you can turn around and sell it and may even break even, if not you are looking at a minimal loss and can then go down the conversion kit road

markers to look into,

Rail
Aura / proton (same marker)
etek 3/4 (technically high end but i see no reason you could not handle them, black and camos are very easy to find on these)

you will need a hopper to feed these as well, even still, I think you should be able to stay around that $330 price tag and if it doesnt work, sell it all and get the conversion kit anyway

He is wanting to get into mag play.

I'd say go out and buy a kingmann hammer pump. It uses mags, and can even use first strike rounds.
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Old November 13th, 2014, 06:33 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Ok I am a little confused. I was under the impression that the x7 Phenom and the TM15 were very similar internally and performance.
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Old November 13th, 2014, 07:07 PM   #10 (permalink)
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The Phenom is an unbalanced spool similar to the Automag. The TM guns are based on the Mini platform. They're not very dissimilar in performance.

Frankly, I'd advise you to do what's fun. At the end of the day, that's really all that matters.
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